----- Original Message -----From: "minnion40" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:06 PMSubject: [E-Z-Caps] Re: Wonder Wine>>> --- In E-Z-Caps@yahoogroups.com, "mmadderom" > wrote:> >> > I received a cherry wonder wine kit the same day as my EZ caps. Has> > anyone experimeted with them? Looked like a package of Kool-aid to> me> > so I'm not getting my hopes up too much. I did ad some welches> > concentrate for nutrients because I just can't see that stuff> > fermenting well on it's own.> >> > The EZ caps yeast says it ferments much faster than the wonder wine> > says it does and much faster than any wine I've made in the> past...is> > the EZ caps yeast some sort of fast-reacting yeast? and could it be> > used just as well in a traditional wine making setup or is it> designed> > specifically for small batches fermented quickly?>>> I just got my ez caps and havent had time to try them yet.> But wonder wine takes forever . I have been making beer for> a few years just started the wine thing> good luckActually the 6 weeks or so for wonder wine is quite fast, another reason I'mskeptical about how this "Kool-aid" could produce a drinkable product soquickly, as a good table wine can take over 6 months to properly produce andanother 6 months before it is drinkable. I used the yeast that came with thewonder wine...probably should have used the EZcaps yeast.I've now been thru my 1st batches of EZ caps and am quite impressed. I wasexpecting something along the lines of "boones farm" or "mad dog 20/20" andinstead ended up with a far more drinkable beverage. The Welches whitegrape-peach concentrate produced a drink that favorably rivaled a $12/bottlecommercial wine we tasted at a local winery recently and was ready to drinkin less than two weeks! (10 days fementing, 3 days clearing) Also did anapple cider, a pear cider, a cranberry juice, and an iced tea. The ciderswere drinkable, but nothing special. I hope to find a recipe to producebetter. The cranberry juice was quite sweet and retained the integrity ofthe cranberry taste, perfect for the wife. The tea was too sweet, I probablyshould have used less sugar and/or fermented longer than 7 days I used 2 1/2cups of sugar in a 2 liter bottle...currently trying again with 1 1/2 cups.Additionally I'm experimenting with a concentrated juice mix (I've beenwarned they don't turn out well) and a concoction of my own consisting of ahalf bottle of 7-up, 1 cup apple juice, 1 cup sugar, and remainderwater...I'll let everyone know how that turns out ;-)Theoretically, I suppose you *should* be able to ferment a straightsugar-water solution. has anyone tried this? I'm not sure without addednutrients how well it might ferment.ORGINAL POSTER: justforfun69

--- "mmadderom" wrote:>> I received a cherry wonder wine kit the same day as my EZ caps. Has> anyone experimeted with them? Looked like a package of Kool-aid tome> so I'm not getting my hopes up too much. I did ad some welches> concentrate for nutrients because I just can't see that stuff> fermenting well on it's own.>> The EZ caps yeast says it ferments much faster than the wonder wine> says it does and much faster than any wine I've made in thepast...is> the EZ caps yeast some sort of fast-reacting yeast? and could it be> used just as well in a traditional wine making setup or is itdesigned> specifically for small batches fermented quickly?I just got my ez caps and havent had time to try them yet.But wonder wine takes forever . I have been making beer fora few years just started the wine thinggood luckORGINAL POSTER: minnion40

--- "Tiffany" wrote:>> I ordered EZ Caps and was wondering if it smells awful when it's> fermenting? Is it a strong smell? Someone told me that you can puta> balloon with air in it on the cap so that the smell wont get out.Is> the smell strong?It is a very fruity and wonderfularoma.ORGINAL POSTER: ramjammn

--- "Tiffany" wrote:>> Is it possible to achieve the same results, different taste, byadding> honey instead of sugar? Would you use the same amount of honey as> sugar (2 cups sugar substituted by 2 cups honey)? Has anyone tried> that?Honey ferments much slower than canesugar but it can be used.ORGINAL POSTER: ramjammn

--- "mmadderom" wrote:>> Hi all. Got my EZ-caps kit on wed. and jumped right in starting 6> different drinks experimenting with both welches concentrates and100%> juice products, all seem to be coming along great so far. The> instructions that came with the kit reccomends 1 cup sugar in all of> it's sample recipes. That seems a little low to me for fermentation> purposes, am I going to be looking at low alcohol and/or very dry> beverages? Or is 1 cup sufficient along with the various fruitjuices> natural sugars to produce a fairly high alcohol content and remain> semi-sweet?>> I've experimented with wine making in the past and am anxious to see> how well this method does. Does anyone have a good recipe for> strawberry and/or Watermelon wine with the EZ caps method? Finding> actual strawberry or Watermelon juice on the store shelves is out of> the question.>> Lastly, has anyone tried fermenting Iced tea? I'm currently trying> lemonade with some welches grape concentrate added for nutrients. I> assume I'd have to do the same with Iced tea?I normally keep my sugar at 1/2 to 1cup.ORGINAL POSTER: ramjammn

I have also read many postswhere people freak out aboutwhat to do with the yeast thatis present in the drink. Mygod people!! Relax. Once yourdrink is done fermenting placein in the fridge. Once it isat fridge temp bleed off the gascompletely. It will stir up thebottom crud but don't worry. Thisis just to get rid of excess gasesthat formed while the drink wasstill fermenting in the fridgebefore it got cold. Now, leavethe drink in the fridge for 72hrs.Clean yourself a new 2L bottle.After 72 hrs. put the bottle in thefreezer for about 15 to 20 minutes.This slows down the agressive bubblingaction when you open the bottle. Nowslowly bleed your bottle by graduallyopening and closing it. Once it is opentransfer slowly into your new 2L bottle.Tilt both bottles at a extreme angle likeyou would when pouring a bottle of bottledcondition Ale. If you do it right no liquidwill run down the side of either bottles.I am getting good at this and only leavea few ounces of wine with all the crud whenI am done. Now, put this bottle back in thefridge for 10 days. After that you will havea very clear wine. I have even transfered mywine into smaller bottles after the firsttransfer. This results is very clear wine withonly a fine layer of yeast on the bottom. Atany rate. Don't Panic!!! It's just yeast.ORGINAL POSTER: ramjammn

I have had EZ caps for just about 1 yearnow. Love them!! I have probably madeclose to 70 batches. Let me sharewhat I have learned. First, use juicesthat are not from concentrate. I havemade pretty good wines with them butthey ferment slower than juices thatare not from concentrate. Second, forsome reason red juices ferment (andwind of stronger) faster than apple.Some of the highest alcohol winesI have made have been either concordgrape or black cherry. My favoritejuices are RW Knudsen (Just juice line)Black Cherry and their Concord Grape.Both of these are pure juice not fromconcentrate. I mix them 50/50 with agood apple juice. My favorite applejuices are Tree Top 3 Apple Reserveand Martinelli's Organic. Both of theseare primo and have no chemicals andare not from concentrate.ORGINAL POSTER: ramjammn

I vent a small amout of gas on my bottles every 24hrs.I think it promotes faster fermentation. I havereally noticed this when making beer.ORGINAL POSTER: ramjammn

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What are the bare necessities for EZ Caps to work? I want to make analmond wine, using about half cup each of almonds and raisins,boiling them in water then adding it to the bottle with sugar andyeast. If I do this, do I need to add juice, or could I just usewater? I think the juice would diminish the flavor of the almonds,so would it still ferment just as well with water as opposed tojuice? Would fermentation take longer?ORGINAL POSTER: tiffany